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WDC OR IDSF- NO CONTEST

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Joined on 29 八月 2007
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Re: WDC OR IDSF- NO CONTEST

2008年7月8日 2:11

Your knowledge of cultural history is commendable.

But as you state, all involves some sort of music or rhythm. So are we right then?

Sunshine2, Sambatogo did not suggest there was any harm in calling competitive ballroom dancing, sport. But it IS a competitive art.

Maybe dancesport should go back to its old name of Ballroom Dancing? Which most outsiders see it as anyway! Even after all these years of Dancsport, the general public still have little to no clue of what it is. But Ballroom Dancing they know! 

If the olympic dream is dead as it appears to be. Then maybe all the sports people have innocently been barking up the wrong tree? Maybe you are one of them?

May we suggest that it is YOU who have not yet figured it out!!  As most champions of of yesterday and today, agee by majority that competitive Ballroom dance is primarily an art. Competitive yes, but not a sport! 

As for the reason of monetary support from government that appears friutless by an d large as well. 

Sambatogo.

Joined on 02 十二月 2007
Total posts: 24

Re: WDC OR IDSF- NO CONTEST

2008年7月8日 17:46

I completely agree with you on the term "Ballroom Dance"  .   Standard and Latin.

 However,   where will you place  Hip Hop and the rest of novelties ?   Street Dance ? Ghetto Styles ?

 I do not think that the inflammatory remarks, you use,  such as 'who is barking on what/who '  are productive Sambatogo,

and since only dogs bark, unless barking is something you have become accustomed to in your own  family,  it would indicate you relate to 'others' as dogs,  and that would not lead to a productive  discussion. Try behave  civilized .  Use brain more than mouth.

You make comments about Olympic Dream.  Having Vision is commendable.  Having practical vision, something attainable would be even better.  Please do not judge those with a Vision. Unless the vision is harmful.  

 

Dancesport  in  Olympics  is dead,  and people know it,   but I am sure you would be the last to deny Sambatogo,   that you not only welcome, but invite and expect the participation and support of the  Olympic Stars in your activities.  Can you be honest ?

 

Soon you will see many associations paying lots of moneys just to be able to say, we have the means of testing our members for use of prohibited substances.   You know, I know, even the associations know how  ridiculous and pretentious  this is ,  just an extra expense they do not need ,  but willing to pay.   I hope that during the process they will not forget to bring along the urine sample cups.  Would it not be funny to have all experts available and not have the containers ?

What would they find ?   Is Viagra a performance enhancing substance ?  Will the Adult1 , Adult 2, Adult 3, and Adult 4  dancers  be named,and publicly ridiculed,   after this or  similar "life sustaining " substances are discovered through  IOC testing,  and will their 1st, 2nd, and 3rd  placements be suspended, and will they be prosecuted ?  Will Adult 4 fight back claiming the findings were incorrect and they wish retesting ?  What if their partners disagree with IOC testing as they have not received/noticed any  benefits from the substance found in their partners cup ?

Will Juveniles,  or growing Juniors 1  be punished if IOC finds they used the tainted  Gerber formula , or a stimulating new  Pablum ?  Both products add inches onto the developing dancers, something other substances fail to do.

The harm is not in the Vision, the harm is in syphoning moneys away from places where the moneys would do good for dancers, associations and the ballroom dancing.

Just  let them go through the motions.  It is a joke.  Performance enhancing drugs were introduced in sports where there was a great financial pay-off  for the cheaters.  Differences between being 1st, and 2nd were in millions of dollars,  and extra in advertising and promotions.

Can you even name the athlete who ran 100 m dash and ended up 3rd ? No.

Can same apply to Ballroom dancing where the first place receives a sticker, a cheap plastic cup, or a medal ( which does not even have the date of the event on it - so it can be used year after year ),  where the top World dancers receive less that what  they pay for the return air-fare to get to the championship ?

This goes beyond ridicule.  Why must we imitate those who will do and say just about anything to distance themselves from somebody else and to meet criteria which apply to real Sports, whereb they pay-off for being first is huge.

Even if a performace enhacing substance was consumed by a dancer,  do you believe that "the effect" would overide the effects of   corrupted and flawed judging.

Do you think the corrupted judge would say to himself , or, /herself : Look  how well  those dancers really move today,  lets  place  'them'  in front of my beloved students, who take n- lessons from  me every week, lets place them in front of the couple who attended my seminars and booked extra lessons ..."?

 

What if WDC decided that they will introduce , in the name of "health and safety"  , and  would exclude any dancer who after quick step , or a jive  has a heart rate over 120 beats per minute 60 seconds after the dance ,  and all   WDC members associations would rely to implement same ?

Would it prove that WDC is more interested in health and safety of dancers , because the danger of heart attack  takes priority  over  the long lasting effects of other drugs ?

No need  to praise me Sambatogo if you are not sincere,  it does not speak well of you.

Contribute if you have a new announcement,  or just keep nodding to those who speak badly of Canada and IDSF.

 

  

 

 

 

 

 

Joined on 29 八月 2007
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Re: WDC OR IDSF- NO CONTEST

2008年7月9日 6:59

Sunshine2

Sambatogo agrees with you about the rediculous drug testing that the IDSF wants to use as standard proceedure for its competitions. It is there just to please the IOC surely? Does anyone really think that drugs are a major problem in our dancesport competitions?

Is anyone worried that someone has won competitions unfairly because performance enhancing drugs? We are yet to hear of anything serious. 

And about the naming of Dancesport. Sambatogo will go further to say that the name Standard should also be dropped. Returned back to the previous name of Modern Ballroom { As opposed to Old Time Ballroom}  Latin too, should go back to its full name of Latin and American. Which describes it best.

Sunshine2, I understand that to someone whom English is not their 1st language, that the frase "Barking up the wrong tree" May sound offensive. But it is a very common frase to describe a situation that was exampled by us earlier. It has no malice in its intent at all. As anyone who knows english well will testify.

Best Wishes, Sambatogo.   

Joined on 07 四月 2005
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Re: WDC OR IDSF- NO CONTEST

2008年7月9日 13:25

I don't think you will find anyone disagreeing with you. 

Dead on !

Joined on 31 八月 2007
Total posts: 80

Re: WDC OR IDSF- NO CONTEST

2008年7月13日 4:26

Sambatogo  I agree completely

 

I have heard plenty of competitors give a lot of different reasons why they didn't (but should have) won a comp – most of course centred on the judging. Honestly, I've never heard a competitor complain that he lost because the winner used steroids or any other drugs. In fact most of them probably wish their competitors would use drugs. Most would be pleased to see the couples ahead of them bulk up and the girls grow moustaches.

 

Maybe a coffee will keep us awake so we can practice longer. But really, where is the evidence that drugs are a problem?

 

This is nothing but further spin by IDSF to make it seem that dancesport is a medal sport. And aren't medal sports the only ones who are tested anyways?

 

Why can't IDSF come clean about dancesport and the Olympics? There was an excellent article on dancesport and the Olympics in Dance News a couple of issues back. It showed that the possibility of dancesport becoming a medal sport is virtually zero.

 

So IDSF must continue to pretend it is a medal sport. That is the only reason for implementing an anti-doping policy.

 

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