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Agreement between IDSF and IPDSC reached - What a joke

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keggs
Joined on 24 十二月 2005
Total posts: 208

Re: Agreement between IDSF and IPDSC reached - What a joke

2008年3月21日 18:42

Sorry - slight error in reading your list. The list you have made relates to the World Games. This as you know is separate from but connected to the IOC. The IOC does recognise Chess as a sport but has made a decision not to include mind sports.

The other sports in the list are also competing with Dance Sport. But if you compare them with us we have a much better chance for one basic reason - we don't require special facilities. The Olympics is as much about cost as it is about sport.

I'm not interested in what the rest of the world thinks. And I don't actually think anyone involved in your list are either.

Regards
Steve Kelly

ps what has your comment got to do with the present discussion
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moderate-man
Joined on 09 十二月 2006
Total posts: 32

Re: Agreement between IDSF and IPDSC reached - What a joke

2008年3月22日 0:12

Sorry but you are 100% wrong on this . The list of recognised sports is taken directly from the IOC website. I don't try to mislead or use incorrect info. to try and make points.
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keggs
Joined on 24 十二月 2005
Total posts: 208

Re: Agreement between IDSF and IPDSC reached - What a joke

2008年3月22日 10:46

Dear moderate-man

The list may come from the IOC web site but what's your point? It only serves to stress that Dance Sport along with all the other sports mentioned have been recognised as sports by the Olympic movement. But this is a past argument and nothing to do with this thread. In case you have forgotten it is a discussion about the agreement made between the IDSF and IPDSC. You started the thread. If you want to change the direction by all means do so, but introducing spurious items only confuses the issue.

Regards
Steve Kelly
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moderate-man
Joined on 09 十二月 2006
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Re: Agreement between IDSF and IPDSC reached - What a joke

2008年3月22日 16:00

Sorry that I have to point out what is obvious to me. Since you seem to keep harping on about how WDC is bad and IDSF is better since it seems to recognise true sporting values, I thought I would try to illustrate exactly how valuable this recognition is.

The IDSF/IPDSC hangs so much of its ( singular not plural) importance on the Olympic dream. Do you really see Chess or Bridge being included ever in a Sporting event? Dancesport ( I hate the word, so does Windows which treats it as a spelling mistake) has an equal chance in my very humble opinion. How can a Sport require the wearing of a tailsuit and long dress with sparkly decoration? The one main requirement of any Ballroom or Latin-American Dancer is elegance. Of course throughout a competition dancers require physical fitness , etc but it's no more sport than Swan Lake which has the same requirements. Adding an adjudication does not change it to a sport (e.g. Chelsea flower show)

Basically I really don't care what you call it but I do object to misguided individuals supporting any organisation that threatens the future of Competitors by banning/non-recognition of great events. Yes WDC was guilty of the same errors in the distant past( very distant) but their open market policy could not be more fair( it does include a non-doping policy too).

The IDSF shifted the goal posts first by deleting the word amateur from their rules but then created holy hell when the WDC adopted it. The WDC have never recognised any Amateur Organisation despite propaganda to the contrary.

My advice to all Amateur/ Professional competitors is to follow your hearts, dance in front of the people who preceeded you i.e. The Champions of the past not the taxi drivers/ politicians of the present.

The success of the various versions of Dancing with the Stars/ Strictly Come Dancing prove how our pastime/hobby/profession is viewed by the Public , it's entertainment. period.

Happy Easter

 

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keggs
Joined on 24 十二月 2005
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Re: Agreement between IDSF and IPDSC reached - What a joke

2008年3月22日 17:39

What a load of illogical and inconsequential drivel.

It is interesting to note that you say the WDC has never recognised any amateur organisation. That doesn't surprise me. It's taken decades for 'amateurs' - I was one once, and so was everyone else - to have their interests taken seriously. I know I was dancing when amateurs in Britain were trying to get their amateur organised recognised by the then Official Board of Ballroom Dancing.

While I am now called a professional simply by virtue of having taken an examination (which by the way legally in Britain is not actually now worth the paper it's written on) the professionals in this country have (ever since they created the OBBD now British Dance Council) have tried to undermine amateurs at every turn.

The WDC which was modelled on the OBBD/BDC has taken (until very recently) the same antagonistic attitude to anything amateurs do or try to do. But now what is the WDC doing. To preserve some ridiculous belief that they have a God-given right to rule have changed tact. They (in my humble opinion) are using amateurs to justify what they think they have a right to do. It's the same in Britain. The only government recognised bodies in Britain are the amateur organisations eg EADA. Yet the BDc with its in built 90% professional control dares to tell EADA what its members can do or not do. Rather a skewed position to be in don't you think.

You have also conveniently forgotten my very first sentence in a previous post. I said that I was not a fan of either the IDSF or the WDC. Instead I want to see an end to amateurs and professionals and just have dancers. I am a professional only because I make my living from it. Nothing more, nothing less. That's all that should matter.

I have no interest in the motives of the IDSF. Everyone has motive. I do. You do. It doesn't really matter. What matters is that all parties cooperate and design an organisation everyone can agree to and work for. That's happened in Australia so it can happen elsewhere.

The IDSF is an independent organisation that makes it decisions for itself. It doesn't answer to anyone but itself. The WDC is the same, but given its past history it dislikes the IDSF beacuse it can't control it. The IDSF may feel the same way towards the WDC. So be it. Both sides got themselves into this mess. It isn't one sided.

As for the direction of the IDSF - you don't like it. I do. Agree to disagree.

As for Dance Sport. What has wearing a tail suit or pretty dress got to with anything. It just happens to be clothing that we collectively have decided to wear. Why not let competitors wear shorts and a short skirt for the ladies. At least it will save them money. whatever they wear doesn't alter the fact that competitors dance round after round and reach a final in just the same way that darts players, tennis players, golfers, rugby teams, hockey teams and any other sport you care to mention. They compete to win. That's a sport as far as I am concerned.

Dance Sport is recognised by the Olympics because they fulfilled the requirements laid down. So has Chess. You might not think Chess is a sport but you don't matter. Try telling the people involved in Chess that you don't recognise it. They would probably say the same thing as I am going to say to you. "Who are you to decide whether it is a sport or not?"

As for being misguided. I could return tI could return the compliment but I can't stoop that low even if I am nearer the floor than most people.

Regards
Steve Kelly


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sambatogo
Joined on 29 八月 2007
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Re: Agreement between IDSF and IPDSC reached - What a joke

2008年3月27日 1:49

You are right moderateman on what you say. Good job for helping keep the information balanced.

Sambatogo. 

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