Re: More respect to the ladys please.

2007年3月5日 17:36

I think you mean more RECOGITION for ladies not RESPECT... anyway...

Of course there is HE  ( in the tailsuit )  and SHE ( in a beautiful gown ),  or HE ( in tight sexy outfit ) and SHE ( in almot nothing,  which is not always sexy  ) .

But if   A )   HE sucks,  no matter how beautiful ( and with  100% RESPECT )  she is dead,  looking out of shape,  stretched, or drooping  right arm, if his left is open,  or low , and  forward..etc.

 And if   B ) SHE sucks (  while  100% respected,  cause she is  not in proper stance...)  HE  has no chance,  and he is a dead.  If she is in his arms looking as a dying swan,  no judge will ever place them high,  just because hHE was looking great.

And together they will not place well.  You may be suggesting  the couple A) may have some advantage,  because his top was better ...  Does it really make so much difference ?   Would  Hawkins not place higher if he had a better partner ? His top is great,  but  it used to be better.  Why ?  Perhaps his partner,  who everyone respects very much has a lot to do with it ?

They say, and I subscribe to it,  a good male dancers cannot reach the top without a great female partner.  Does this show no respect to female partner ?

Would Pino be where he is without his great female partner ? Mirko ?  Look who is holding Jonathan Crossley up in the finals ( so ..so ), Mauricio without his partner, Bosco without his ?  They all have superb partners and everyone knows it.

Someone already said,  a beautiful picture not hung properly in a broken frame will show flaws, shadows, creases...ready for a garage sale.   Put in in a nice frame,  and it is ready for an art gallery.

Also,  we are told,  if a male makes a mistake ....the lady follows...if he is off beat...she must be mirroring him...if his top is bad,  his posture is bad, his frame is bad, his movement will be bad, his balance will be bad,  he will not be on time,  he will push and interfere with his parner...and with all die RESPECT for the lady...she has no chance.  She can try,  but it is a partnership and her parner sucks,  and as a result ,  and with 100 % respect  SHE will not get  RESPECT marks, RESPECT recalls,  because such does not exist yet.

Perhaps by the word RESPECT you meant something else,  and I misunderstood.  But even if the judges acknowledge the ladies "good" efford,  grace, talent and beauty,   should they somehow mark the couple higer, and excuse the bad frame of the male ? His inability to dance to music ?  Because she had no chance to show her trained-from-conservatory musical talent ? After all, she did her job, she has followed him.

Sorry ladies,  you want a singular respect ?  Take on tennis ( singles ) , ballet,  take a part in a talent show,  but if you insist on a team sport,  you shall be judges as a part of your team.  So pick your team carefully,  and work as a team member, your results will be a team result He and SHE will become a Couple, and respect you get as a team. 

Respect ladies   ?   Who does not ?  Unfortunatelly Respect is  all you get.

No recall,  not better placings, those have nothing to do with Respect.

More RECOGNITION ?   YES !   But Recognition and Respect are two different words.   And good ladies get the Recognition,  unfortunately in the bad partnership  they recognize us,  they wish us better partners, sometimes we get lucky and end up with good partners,  and get marked for what we deserve..

What do you suggest ?   OK !!!  We are all for it.   Lets show the respect to ladies.   BUT what does respect have to do with final marks ?

As for 10: 90 and 90: 10....do you want to tell me that finishing the movements is 50:50,   or is it up to us, the ladies  to complete the movement.   We do often the imposible and unimaginable from the incompetent "grasp" of our stiff, riggid and eager to pull us out of our balance,  male partners ?  No SIR,  I feel  I am the one,  I deserve the applause,  the cheers,  I am the 99%,  HE is just there trying to spoil  it with his insignificant and so badly flawed 1  % .

Respect the ladies,  no one disagrees with you.  But what is your answer ? Mark females separately from males ?  Mark couples by ladie's ability,  by the beauty of our  gowns ?

I have a peeve  with the judges not marking the couples in less visible dresses.

More respect for females,  for couples who dance great,  but are over-run in lower rounds by dancers in flashy make-ups, big hair-doos,  loud and coloured dresses,  with huge vails which prevent the judges to see the field behind all that wonderful shiffon.   Those visible dresses on whom judges waste-or- use up,  all their priced  recalls,  with  nothing  left for the 'quiet' less noticable ( often better )  dancers when they get finaly noticed.

Let me know if you meant more RECOGNITION for ladies,  rather than more RESPECT please.

Re: More respect to the ladys please.

2007年3月6日 23:10

Sorry,  have I missed a point ?  What is the point ?

If an overweight, no good jockey rides a Secretariat ( a reknown top race horse- now dead )  Secretariat will not cross the line first and his reputation shall be for ever after ruined.   He will not get a recognition.

Now,  lets sit the best in the world jockey onto a jack-ass, an overweight, or out of shape, or a cart pulling horse.  This  reknown jockey can jump on the jack-ass's back as he wants to,  can use the lastest race strategies,  and the chances are he will not motivate the lazy  beast to leave the gate.

The lesson learned:  1. Good ladies,  if you want recognition hook up with a better male partner,  drop the dead beat  and move on.

2. Man,  if you have a good lady,  beware,  she will drop you at the first oportunity for a better dancer,  because with you she will not get the results which are so very important to her.

3. Good ladies,  beware,  you may drop your man for a better one,  but what goes around, comes around,  and the next time it may be you looking from the side lines for another man,  while your 'old' man ic competing on the floor with a completely content lady.

Be careful what you wish for,  it may just happen to you. Not everything is about results. If you have a man who recognizes his weakneses, who is willing to work on it,  who respect you, who you have fun with,  hell with the judges and the flawed judging system...remember...when you do not get a recall,  you may have reminded a sensitive judge of his least favorite ex-wife, or his mother in-law. 

Cheers !

Re: More respect to the ladys please.

2007年8月1日 8:26

Just briefly returning to this thread I would like to make a further observation.

In a few recent posts people have commented that Donnie is "their God".  Fair enough BUT let us never forget that he had a partner. I am a Donnie fan BUT he achieved his success with his partner.

Gaynor was a - sorry to use the word - supreme dancer. Unbelievable in every way.  Her foot and leg control and their usage are even today the gauge by which other ladies are measured.

Gaynor was a Symphony and not a one note wonder.

Any partnership where one person draws more attention than the other cannot be a totally succesful partnership.  They are a COUPLE a man and a woman dancing for each other Two being one.  The overall picture is what counts.

More repect to the ladies indeed I agree.